Jay fans....

[tBU]

Whats going on with Whitehead...heard he is leaving claiming Dana is forcing him out. Sorry if this is old news.

Thanks....

[DUBulldog]

Whats going on with Whitehead...heard he is leaving claiming Dana is forcing him out. Sorry if this is old news.

Thanks....


Omaha World-Herald story about Whitehead leaving (http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_page=1200&u_sid=10381675)

[MoValley John]

It's no big deal, Tom Whitehead is being replaced by Joe Blackhead.

[outpost]

And Dana's wife Wilma caught him sneaking out to go bowling one too many times with Joe Rockhead.

[MoValley John]

This is just another case showcasing the problem of penalizing students who are forced out. It is easy to see that it wasn't Whitehead's intent to leave, but instead, he was forced out. Why should he suffer if there is another Division 1 school willing to give him a scholarship? Oh yeah, so the kids that are good don't do the same and move on to better programs. What a joke!

I don't like the rules the way they are. Sure, if a kid simply wants out because he sees greener patures, he should have to sit. But if a player has his scholly yanked, he should be able to move without penalty. What penalty has Creighton incurred for ending this kid's dream of playing D-1 ball?

As the arms race heats up in the Valley, and as the level of play gets better and better, we are going to see more and more of the same stuff. I don't blame the coaches, they have to do what they have to do, but this all sucks none the less.

[CousinMose]

Sounds like he was out of shape, not working hard and had his scholly taken with the chance to earn it back. Apparently this was addressed several times throughout his redshirt semester, but he did nothing to rectify the situation.

Alledgedly he declined to stay and earn back his scholly and went home to play at the school his dad works at.

Anyway, that is the latest. I'm sure the truth is somewhere in the middle and will never really be known.

Pretty telling though when the kid (I use that losely because his is 23) admits he wasn't in shape and didn't work hard enough.

[MoValley John]

This looks to be like a hot topic on almost every Valley Board except ISU Red, Drake and Evansville. Evansville board :lol::lol::lol:

Anyway, I poked around on Bear Nation and this is what I found:


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[WSUfan]

This looks to be like a hot topic on almost every Valley Board except ISU Red, Drake and Evansville. Evansville board :lol::lol::lol:

Anyway, I poked around on Bear Nation and this is what I found:


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I don't see a discussion of this on SIU's board. Where is it on http://www.salukitalk.net/st/viewforum.php?f=1 ?

[tBU]

I don't see a discussion of this on SIU's board. Where is it on http://www.salukitalk.net/st/viewforum.php?f=1 ?



They are still all to stunned that Shaw wasn't a lottery pick and have yet to leave the NBA selection party's thinking its just an extended commercial....

[Dawg_tired]

Dana Mulligan has a habit of changing his mind.

RV

[WakanTanka]

"This looks to be like a hot topic on almost every Valley Board except ISU Red, Drake and Evansville"


Who the heck is Tom Whitehead anyway?

[CousinMose]

He is a potential walk on at Dixie State in Utah.

[goaces]

The last thing a kid should do when they sign with a program such as CU is to be lazy. That would seem to be the case here. I hope the young man catches on somewhere else, and take this valuable experience with him.

[WSUfan]

The last thing a kid should do when they sign with a program such as CU is to be lazy. That would seem to be the case here. I hope the young man catches on somewhere else, and take this valuable experience with him.

He might end up being a great player. It would be interesting if he went to Dixie State for a year and then returned to D1 basketball; if his new team played Creighton, ... :lol:

[WSUfan]

Based on this link, it sounds like I was wrong. http://www.thespectrum.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080718/SPORTS/807180306
He said he plans to major in business. Although he has approximately 80 credits and a grade point average about 3.5, he said he hasn't really gotten into his major coursework. Because he has burned his redshirt year, he has three years of NCAA eligibility. He could return to junior college, then try to find a Division I home for two years. But he said he's not likely to do that.
Now he's back home.
"I'm happy to come home and play in front of family and friends," he said of the possibility of becoming a Rebel.

[pawball]

"The truth will not be known." Alfred South Whitehead.

[cufan]

But if a player has his scholly yanked, he should be able to move without penalty. What penalty has Creighton incurred for ending this kid's dream of playing D-1 ball?


What if the player gets his scholly yanked because he showed up out of shape, was lazy, didn't adhere to his work-outs, didn't get back in to shape or work hard, and then went home instead of following the coach's request to stay in town and work to get in shape. This isn't some immature, fresh-faced freshman overwhelmed by the experience of college for the first time. Why should the coach's believe that anything different would happen next year? $25,000 or so for a one year scholarship is a lot of money to throw away.

Call me old school, but I still believe in personal responsibility and in "choach's way or the highway." Dana did not end Whitehead's dream of playing DI ball, Whitehead ended his own dream if in fact his dream has ended.

[MoValley John]

What if the player gets his scholly yanked because he showed up out of shape, was lazy, didn't adhere to his work-outs, didn't get back in to shape or work hard, and then went home instead of following the coach's request to stay in town and work to get in shape. This isn't some immature, fresh-faced freshman overwhelmed by the experience of college for the first time. Why should the coach's believe that anything different would happen next year? $25,000 or so for a one year scholarship is a lot of money to throw away.

Call me old school, but I still believe in personal responsibility and in "choach's way or the highway." Dana did not end Whitehead's dream of playing DI ball, Whitehead ended his own dream if in fact his dream has ended.

I simply believe that it should be a two way street. If Whitehead quit on Creighton, he should have to sit a year. Since Creighton pulled the scholly, Whitehead should be able to go, without penalty, to any school that wants him. If Whitehead was lazy, don't you think the word would get out and most potential schools would back off? He still made his bed, finding another school would be difficult, but he still should be able to play this year if someone offers.

On the other side, Creighton can use the scholly now, their is no penalty to them.

[cufan]

MVJ,

I don't completely disagree with you. Perhaps it the player must sit out a year and the school can't use the schollie for the next year that would vastly reduce the number of transfers. Certainly, coaches wouldn't be so quick to cut a player.

[DoubleJayAlum]

I simply believe that it should be a two way street. If Whitehead quit on Creighton, he should have to sit a year. Since Creighton pulled the scholly, Whitehead should be able to go, without penalty, to any school that wants him. If Whitehead was lazy, don't you think the word would get out and most potential schools would back off? He still made his bed, finding another school would be difficult, but he still should be able to play this year if someone offers.

On the other side, Creighton can use the scholly now, their is no penalty to them.

In theory, your rule works.

But what happens if a kid just quits working in order to get a school to dump him? What if he quits showing up for practice? What if he sits on the floor at practice eating an ice cream sandwich instead of doing anything? I suspect the rule is the way that it is for just these sorts of scenarios. In that case, if your rule were in place, the school could cut him lose, but he'd be able to play immediately wherever he went. That doesn't seem fair either as the school didn't do anything wrong, and even invested money in him, only to have him essentially (but not formally) quit. Instead your rule just encourages kids to act up and get kicked off a team so they don't have to sit a year instead of just quitting.

The one change I would allow is that a kid doesn't have to sit out a year if the coach leaves.

[MoValley John]

In theory, your rule works.

But what happens if a kid just quits working in order to get a school to dump him? What if he quits showing up for practice? What if he sits on the floor at practice eating an ice cream sandwich instead of doing anything? I suspect the rule is the way that it is for just these sorts of scenarios. In that case, if your rule were in place, the school could cut him lose, but he'd be able to play immediately wherever he went. That doesn't seem fair either as the school didn't do anything wrong, and even invested money in him, only to have him essentially (but not formally) quit. Instead your rule just encourages kids to act up and get kicked off a team so they don't have to sit a year instead of just quitting.

The one change I would allow is that a kid doesn't have to sit out a year if the coach leaves.

I understand this as well. There is no perfect answer. At the same time, you have to admit that when a guy like Tom Whitehead is cut, he wasn't trying to get cut, he just wasn't putting forth enough effort (by Creighton standards) or possibly he is already as good as he will ever get; in other words, he just wasn't panning out to what the coaches expected. In this case, Whitehead now has only the options of moving down to D-2, NAIA or sitting out a year. He's already burnt eligibility, he is old and his eligibility clock is running- sitting isn't an option. Not allowing him to freely transfer is unduly harsh. To correct the flaw in the system, I agree that kids should be cut loose when a coach leave, but schools should also have the ability to release a guy like Whitehead and give him a waiver where he wouldn't be forced to sit out a year. I think most coaches would be willing to sign such a waiver in instances where it wasn't the kid intentionally trying to get out, but where they just didn't meet the particular coaches system, weren't good enough for the team or the things just didn't work out. At the same time, kids that were blatantly quitting to move on, shouldn't receive the waiver. That in itself, isn't perfect, but it's better than what we have now.