This is why I dont like mark turgeon

[gosmsgo]

This guy thinks the mvc is about as great as digger phelps. I know I said I wouldnt post for a while but what a dumb thing for a mvc coach to say!

When this guy moves on the valley will take a step up.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/ncaatourney06/columns/story?columnist=katz_andy&id=2374631

[Ricky Del Rio]

This guy thinks the mvc is about as great as digger phelps. I know I said I wouldnt post for a while but what a dumb thing for a mvc coach to say!

When this guy moves on the valley will take a step up.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/ncaatourney06/columns/story?columnist=katz_andy&id=2374631

What are you talking about?

Please post the language, which you find so despicable.

[gosmsgo]

the sweet sixteen is like our final four!?!?

That is exactly why people like digger do not take us seriously. IF you do not act like you can complete at this level than people are going to question getting 4, 5 or 6 teams in the tournament.

yes barry hinson is cook but I can guarantee you he would not say something like that.

Turg is looking at the next level you can bet your butt on that.

[DCShockerFan]

2 theories: 1. He's really clever and trying to motivate his own team by tellling them they aren't as good as the big boys. 2. He's trying not to burn bridges with said big boys so that he can get a new job.
I'm really worried about #2. But come on Turg, where else are you going to have an entire city behind you like you do now? You think they're gonna come out in the thousands to meet you at the airport when you take indiana to the sweet sixteen? Hell no, they'll probably egg your house when you lose. Please, coach--think about what you've got here.

[gosmsgo]

He is more than gone from wichita. He is a bcs man (like alford) and he will not be in wichita next year.

That doesn't mean he has to belittle this conference while he's here.

[shockerfan13]

the sweet sixteen is like our final four!?!?

That is exactly why people like digger do not take us seriously. IF you do not act like you can complete at this level than people are going to question getting 4, 5 or 6 teams in the tournament.

yes barry hinson is cook but I can guarantee you he would not say something like that.

Turg is looking at the next level you can bet your butt on that.

Not the best choice of words. But in a way he is right. As far as excitment and coverage goes, everyone is giving us all the coverage like we are in the championship game or something. I mean even as fans we are much more excited about making it to the Sweet 16 than fans from UConn, Duke and some others that it's basically a given for them where for us it's been about as far as any MVC team has gotten in recent history. Since this has been typically the end of the line for "mid-major" teams it is about like making the final four. Now this year the parity is evident and we shouldn't be satisfied with sweet 16 as we have chances to go deeper, but in most years....this is about as far as the "mid-majors" get.

[shockerfan13]

He is more than gone from wichita. He is a bcs man (like alford) and he will not be in wichita next year.

That doesn't mean he has to belittle this conference while he's here.

You are just hopin so your bears might have a chance to beat us ;)

I personally don't see Turgeon moving on after this year. He will definately have some opportunities, but I don't think they will be attractive enough for him. I think he will be VERY picky like Altman has been. I seriously doubt he will bolt at the first decent BcS team to come knocking. Plus, I don't know that he will be satisfied with 1 trip to the NCAA tourney no matter how successfull it has been.

[TurFin]

You have no idea what you're talking about.

[gosmsgo]

hmmmm,

lets examine some recent turg comments.

"there are kids in our state not good enough to go to ku or kansas state....that is where we come in."

"the sweet sixteen is like a final four for us"

yeah, that guy really rings the bell for the mvc. Maybe doug can pay him some money to leave.

[martymoose]

hmmmm,

lets examine some recent turg comments.

"there are kids in our state not good enough to go to ku or kansas state....that is where we come in."

"the sweet sixteen is like a final four for us"

yeah, that guy really rings the bell for the mvc. Maybe doug can pay him some money to leave.


Give it a rest....Can we say "SOUR GRAPES"!!!! Sorry your team got left out of the tourney...Why don't you worry about the NIT, and leave us to the NCAA's....

[ColdHardFacts]

""there are kids in our state not good enough to go to ku or kansas state....that is where we come in."

I've never seen a coach take as much crap for saying what is basically true. There is no doubt that the best players in the BIG 12 are better and more athletic than the best players in the MVC. Anyone who thinks otherwise is an idiot, and only kidding themselves. That said, sure, there are several players in the MVC who the Big 12 is sorry they overlooked.

But since basketball is a team game, having the most athletic player on the floor doesn't guarantee you anything.

"the sweet sixteen is like a final four for us"

It is true that MT is not the best "off the cuff" speaker, and those are not the best choice of workds, but so what.

Really not sure if its his job to ring the bell for the MVC anyway.

[gosmsgo]

ok, Im glad bradley didnt seem to think so.

I watched the bradley/ku game and I can tell you that there wasnt a single player from ku that I would trade for a bradley player.

there isnt a single player on mu's team that I would trade a mo state player for.

I really have no idea what in the hell your talking about. Mo state took drew richards away from a hellova lot of bcs schools. I'm talking schools who made drew some great offers. Bobby knight told him if he could only give one scholarship he would give it to drew.

Sounds like your quite a fan. Why even let the mvc in the tournament.

[gosmsgo]

also, If you think Kansas state can out recruit wichita state than you are the biggest idiot in the history of sports forums. THat my friend is saying alot.


kansas state hasnt been good in decades and has no fan support. Just because they are in the big 12 doesnt mean crap.

[ColdHardFacts]

As far as K-State I would have to agree with you. Terrible team. I think MT backed of those remarks anyway. Wasn't that like 5 years ago anyway? Why are you bringing that up now?

[DeepFreeze]

I have to admit I was a little disappointed in an article I read Saturday in the Wichita Eagle when Turgeion was asked if he was rooting for KU or Bradley he said "I am indifferent about it, but if you put a gun to my head I would probably say KU because I am a Jayhawk, I was raised with it." I understand being loyal to your alma mater but when you are pulling a paycheck from a school different from your alma mater I think your loyalties come to that school first and I would say he should have been pulling for Bradley no matter who they are playing because they are in the same conference the school that is paying him is in.

Turgeon will leave WSU someday, not sure it will be next year. It will take a great job for him, he will not go to a rebuilding situation regardless of how big the conference. I could see him going somewhere like Iowa if Alford moves on to Indiana. It will be interesting to see.

[gosmsgo]

whoa,

I didnt know that.

stupid anti-mvc comment #3 for turgeon.

That guy is taking the first big 12 job he is offered. I am really surprised at his success in recruiting at wsu considering his additude.

[DUShock]

I have to admit I was a little disappointed in an article I read Saturday in the Wichita Eagle when Turgeion was asked if he was rooting for KU or Bradley he said "I am indifferent about it, but if you put a gun to my head I would probably say KU because I am a Jayhawk, I was raised with it." I understand being loyal to your alma mater but when you are pulling a paycheck from a school different from your alma mater I think your loyalties come to that school first and I would say he should have been pulling for Bradley no matter who they are playing because they are in the same conference the school that is paying him is in.

Turgeon will leave WSU someday, not sure it will be next year. It will take a great job for him, he will not go to a rebuilding situation regardless of how big the conference. I could see him going somewhere like Iowa if Alford moves on to Indiana. It will be interesting to see.

Like I say in my profession "It's okay to think it but you'd better not say it"!!!!

Go Valley!!

Go Shocks!!!!

[outpost]

I understand being loyal to your alma mater but when you are pulling a paycheck from a school different from your alma mater I think your loyalties come to that school first and I would say he should have been pulling for Bradley no matter who they are playing because they are in the same conference the school that is paying him is in.

Problem is .......he doesn't pull a paycheck from Bradley. And most of his paycheck is directly paid by WSU.....with some of the tab likely indirectly coming from MVC tourney revenues.

So your logic is a little bit flawed.....IMHO.

If he leaves, I will make every endeavor to be among the first in line to wish him well. As Dr. Beggs (WSU President) stated recently, "I don't want to stand in the way of opportunity."

[gosmsgo]

He should leave. That is the nature of the business. The mvc is still a step stool to the next level in most cases.

I just dont see how you can recruit kids while belittling your conference and your school. He has managed to do it though?!?! more power to him.

[bigbearfan]

[QUOTE=DeepFreeze]I have to admit I was a little disappointed in an article I read Saturday in the Wichita Eagle when Turgeion was asked if he was rooting for KU or Bradley he said "I am indifferent about it, but if you put a gun to my head I would probably say KU because I am a Jayhawk, I was raised with it." QUOTE]

Turg was honest. whats wrong with honesty? he was born and raised a jayhawk. lots of people were. i am. i picked the jayhawks over bradley. lots of people did. Turg is loyal to the Shox, not Bradley.

[engrshock]

You need to take off your rose colored shooting glasses.

Do you honestly think that any MVC team is on the same "level" as a team such as Duke, UNC, UCONN or even KU that gets a high seed every year and expects to make the Final Four every year. Had we lost the first round WSU fans would have still been happy. If one of those teams loses in the first round they are all over the team and coach.

Now that we have survived to the Sweet 16 that should open doors to talking to be able to talk to higher rated players because we have gotten to a higher level of play. Until you get there it is harder to talk to those players with some authority to say we want you to get us even higher. Those players want the best chance possible. Turgeon has raised the talent level of player at WSU but indicates he felt a roadblock when he went to the camps for the cream of the crop players. He also speaks his mind without candy coating everything. Sorry.

[gosmsgo]

No, but that doesnt mean I think the mvc cannot compete with those conferences.

That is what bugs me....although I think duke is great that doesnt mean that everyone in the acc is better than everyone in the mvc.

Do you think the mountian west is better than the MVC because of gonzaga?

I knew all year that ku was way overrated. The entire big 12 blows this year. I mean I think the top 6 of the mvc could beat anyone in the big 12.

Not saying they would every time but IM saying there was no reason why ku deserved a 5 seed at bradley a 13 seed.

[WSUfan]

the sweet sixteen is like our final four!?!?

That is exactly why people like digger do not take us seriously. IF you do not act like you can complete at this level than people are going to question getting 4, 5 or 6 teams in the tournament.

yes barry hinson is cook but I can guarantee you he would not say something like that.

Turg is looking at the next level you can bet your butt on that.
I didn't like that comment either.

[outpost]

I knew all year that ku was way overrated. The entire big 12 blows this year. I mean I think the top 6 of the mvc could beat anyone in the big 12.

I am not in any way tooting KU's horn. But G-SMS-G, you are really naive if you think anyone on this board believes that. KU had won 22 of 25 games going into the tourney. They were red-hot, and had just knocked off Texas last Sunday. Their confidence was sky-high.

With that said, there is no doubt that KU underestimated the Braves. And I do agree with your opinion above regarding the top 6 Valley teams.

You are grasping at straws, and this last comment is way, way off topic.

[Fraydog]

No, but that doesnt mean I think the mvc cannot compete with those conferences.

That is what bugs me....although I think duke is great that doesnt mean that everyone in the acc is better than everyone in the mvc.

Do you think the mountian west is better than the MVC because of gonzaga?

I knew all year that ku was way overrated. The entire big 12 blows this year. I mean I think the top 6 of the mvc could beat anyone in the big 12.

Not saying they would every time but IM saying there was no reason why ku deserved a 5 seed at bradley a 13 seed.

Go, I hate to break it to you, but Gonzaga is in the WCC... which except for Gonzaga is an inferior conference to the Valley. :valley:

[WSUfan]

He is more than gone from wichita. He is a bcs man (like alford) and he will not be in wichita next year.

That doesn't mean he has to belittle this conference while he's here.
I think you are wrong. SIU and others think they will be great next year (and they may well be) but I think WSU will be the best MVC team next year. We lose Miller, which is very big, but next year's team will be very strong and, if a good replacement for Miller is found (e.g. Phillip Thomasson, David King, Ryan Bradley, Chris Brown, J.T. Durley or Arbry Butler), WSU may return to the Sweet 16 next year. MT will probably be back because the future looks very bright at WSU.

[ColdHardFacts]

MT will probably be back because the future looks very bright at WSU.

I sure hope so, because I'm getting a little worried. His stock is going through the roof.

[gosmsgo]

I dont know about you guys but I have seen basically every team in the big 12 play this year and I stand by my statement that from top to bottom they are worse than the mvc this year.

Texas is a good example...yeah they look great beating up on the rest of the big 12 but when they play a legit contender like duke they get beat by 30.

kansas is the same way. just my opinion.

[WSUfan]

I dont know about you guys but I have seen basically every team in the big 12 play this year and I stand by my statement that from top to bottom they are worse than the mvc this year.

Texas is a good example...yeah they look great beating up on the rest of the big 12 but when they play a legit contender like duke they get beat by 30.

kansas is the same way. just my opinion.
I kind of have to agree. The Big12 teams don't really play perimeter defense (at least in the games I watched).

[Ace Dad]

I read the article yesterday and thought it was very good. I agreed with Coach Turgeon's persepctive and I know where he is coming from. In fact, he may be honest to a fault.

The MVC does get leftovers when recruiting after the Big 12 in Kansas.

A MVC getting to the Sweet Sixteen IS a big deal.

I did not think he was knocking the MVC or non BCS schools.

Maybe he knows a little more about basketball and recruiting than most of us.

By the way, I still remember two Big 12 coaches (Oklahoma State and Kansas State) telling me that my son could not play in the Big 12, but he could play in the Valley. That was true in 1999 and 2000 when you look at the pecking order of conferences and recruits. Today, the gap has closed. Ace Kid may not get into the Valley.

[silk]

What Mark is talking about is all perception. The Valley has TWO teams in the Sweet Sixteen, and I will bet the Valley will have a TV Contract with ESPN Next Year. This contract will show case the Valley on either ESPN or the duece. The ESPN channel the Valley had some games on this Year stunk. NO ONE has ESPNU on their Cable Package. Wichita State is Very Happy with Mark Turgeon, and Mark will be coaching in the Valley Next Year. It sounds like a little Sour Grapes for Wichita State Advancing in the Tournament.

[WSUfan]

Listen to Jim Rome now.

[gosmsgo]

no sour grapes I am very happy for you. I remember what it was like in 1999 with the bears and it is really really awesome as a fan.

You guys sound like saluki fans when I was telling them that their yahoo coach who went to purdue was leaving. Noone wants to believe that their coach has higher aspirations but they all do except for maybe altman. He is jaded and has very little desire to taste the spotlight again.

[shockersup]

hmmmm,

lets examine some recent turg comments.

"there are kids in our state not good enough to go to ku or kansas state....that is where we come in."

"the sweet sixteen is like a final four for us"

yeah, that guy really rings the bell for the mvc. Maybe doug can pay him some money to leave.

What's wrong with the truth GSMS?? How many McDonalds all americans are comming to yuor school next year? Just cause he said they aren't good enough to go to KU doen't mean they are bad. KU has great talent. You are simply a hater who's full of sour grapes. Well pucker up butter cup!

sup

[outpost]

And you're overdue to change your handle, too!!

About 7 months late.

Turg just told Jim Rome that our success is not about him and his ego. It's about his players and the smiles on their faces. What he's saying is that success will not change him.

If he leaves someday......get in line....thank him profoundly......look for another coach.

[gosmsgo]

ok.

I guess you guys really believe that you will always be 4th fiddle in kansas.

behind k-state, kansas and hutchision juco.

thats cool.

[goshoxgo]

This guy thinks the mvc is about as great as digger phelps. I know I said I wouldnt post for a while but what a dumb thing for a mvc coach to say!

When this guy moves on the valley will take a step up.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/ncaatourney06/columns/story?columnist=katz_andy&id=2374631
Sorry I have to say this but you are a dumbass, think before you type.

[outpost]

And your statement speaks volumes about the level of basketball in the state of Missouri.

[Ms. dawgcrazi]

I think the article you are speaking of was a good article for WSU and the Valley. I think you are nitpicking, Gos. The reality is that the MVC has been a second-class conference in the perception of the BCS schools. The Sweet 16 is a huge deal for the MVC. We are ready to take the next steps to the elite 8 and hopefully final 4. I heard Turgeon interviewed and I thought he represented the Valley well with his comments on the quality of the competition they have been playing in the Valley all year. I am disappointed with his comment about favoring Kansas over Bradley, but I'm sure he was proud for the Valley when Bradley won.

Congrats to both the WSU and Bradley teams. You made most of us in the Valley proud!

By the way, Turgeon probably will be leaving, if not this year, soon. He's at the top of his game right now; he's ready to go to the next level, unfortunately. The Valley will continue to improve, but, unfortunately, his job at WSU will still not be as attractive as a top BCS school. We at SIU have a little experience with coaches going on to bigger and better things. We have also found that good coaches are replaceable.

Let's let the WSU fans celebrate and be happy for their team and their coach. They deserve it--as clod says, "It's a great day to be a Shocker fan." And right now, for once, I will agree with him. (I wish he would be a little more gracious in victory, but some things just don't change!).

:shockers: :braves: :salukis: :valley:

[shockersup]

The fact that most of what Mark is refering to in that whole article is personal and in reference to recruiting just flew right over GSMS's head. Nice job tard. Even with tools like you I still hope you get to the finals vs CU in the NIT. Good luck.


sup

[brokeback shocker]

I read the article yesterday and thought it was very good. I agreed with Coach Turgeon's persepctive and I know where he is coming from. In fact, he may be honest to a fault.

The MVC does get leftovers when recruiting after the Big 12 in Kansas.

A MVC getting to the Sweet Sixteen IS a big deal.

I did not think he was knocking the MVC or non BCS schools.

Maybe he knows a little more about basketball and recruiting than most of us.

By the way, I still remember two Big 12 coaches (Oklahoma State and Kansas State) telling me that my son could not play in the Big 12, but he could play in the Valley. That was true in 1999 and 2000 when you look at the pecking order of conferences and recruits. Today, the gap has closed. Ace Kid may not get into the Valley.

Agree Ace Dad with everything you said.

GoSMS is just a total ding dong.

Just listened to Turgeon on Rome and he said he told his players after a TO early in the game that Tenn was no better than any other Valley team. Gosh, I guess that was another diss on the MVC.

GoSMS, you ought to try to think a little more as you read articles and quotes.

Is it easier to recruit to the top tier BCS school than a MVC school? Yes.

Do you really think b/c of that fact that MT doesn't think the MVC can compete? Obvioulsy not.

Is a S16 a bigger deal to WSU than Duke, when they've made 9 in a row? Yes.

Do you think he doesn't think we have a shot at an E8 or F4?

[outpost]

I really like Duke, but.......

Is a S16 a bigger deal to WSU than Duke, when they've made 9 in a row? Yes.

Put any other big name in there. Even Maryland (:cursing: )
Talk about a sense of entitlement......

Many of the BCS schools are numbed by their prospects and expectations of getting to a S16.

[gosmsgo]

Im a tard??

I think you guys are so in love with turg that you fail to recognize that some of his statements are belittling to the conference.

I wonder if mark few says the same things?

[brokeback shocker]

Im a tard??

I think you guys are so in love with turg that you fail to recognize that some of his statements are belittling to the conference.

I wonder if mark few says the same things?

No, you just don't have even sense to read articles with a little more intelligence. I have neither the time or inclination to explain it to you.

Put a debater's hat on and reread that piece and see if you can see what we are saying.

If you can't, you sir, are a moron.

[gosmsgo]

we all have dreams of the mvc competing with the big boys in recruiting and then we can compete for final fours etc.

your coach says.

He roots for kansas over bradley

His players are not good enough to play for K STATE!

The sweet 16 is a final four the mvc.

Call barry Hinson a dreamer but he would never say those things. He talks all the time about the mvc being a major conference etc.

Even the dumbest wichita fans have to know that wichita has to recruit better kids than kansas f'n state.

[shockerfan13]

we all have dreams of the mvc competing with the big boys in recruiting and then we can compete for final fours etc.

your coach says.

He roots for kansas over bradley

His players are not good enough to play for K STATE!

The sweet 16 is a final four the mvc.

Call barry Hinson a dreamer but he would never say those things. He talks all the time about the mvc being a major conference etc.

Even the dumbest wichita fans have to know that wichita has to recruit better kids than kansas f'n state.


I don't recall reading that quote about better players going to k-state...etc. Can you link or list your reference?

[brokeback shocker]

we all have dreams of the mvc competing with the big boys in recruiting and then we can compete for final fours etc.

your coach says.

He roots for kansas over bradley

His players are not good enough to play for K STATE!

The sweet 16 is a final four the mvc.

Call barry Hinson a dreamer but he would never say those things. He talks all the time about the mvc being a major conference etc.

Even the dumbest wichita fans have to know that wichita has to recruit better kids than kansas f'n state.

It is retarded to expect someone to root against their alma mater.

Ever think about the issue of team vs. individual players? Cartier Martin at KSU is arguably as good as any player in the MVC. Is KSU a better team? Of course not.

So, genius, what is your expert analysis on Turgeon's comment on Rome that Tenn was just another MVC team? Just a reminder; They won their division of the SEC and were seeded #2.

I repeat GoSMS: you are a moron.

[silk]

First off, if I was an SMS fan I would want Mark to leave WSU, since Barry and the boys have lost eight in a row to the Shockers. Mark is very happy with his recruiting efforts, but he was honestly answering the question about how tough it is to land a Top 50 Recruit or a McDonald's All American. If SMS can land these players why didn't they sign Tyler Hansborough? He went to High School in Missouri and ended up at Norht Carolina even though you take a back seat to No One. Recruting is a building process, and the only fast way to get there is with a National Valley TV package or yearly success at your school. If Mark does leaves Shocker fans have faith in our AD to find a suitable replacement. Our base is light years ahead of six years ago. GO Shocks to the Elite Eight!

[pantherjoe]

I think he will wind up in Ames.

[Aargh]

I know I said I wouldnt post for a while
That would have been an excellent idea.

Noone wants to believe that their coach has higher aspirations but they all do except for maybe altman. He is jaded and has very little desire to taste the spotlight again.
Let's see - Turgeon grew up in Topeka, went to school at KU, coached at KU. You think he's not familiar with what happened to Altman basically in Turgeon's back yard?

Altman has tasted the spotlight more times at CU than he ever did at KSU.

I guess you guys really believe that you will always be 4th fiddle in kansas.
You are correct with the part about Wichita being in Kansas. There is another team in Kansas. Their name is "Kansas". You may not realize this in Missouri, but in Kansas with all the KU fans, it doesn't matter what you do in the regular season. The only thing that matters is what you do in the NCAA's.

Until next March, WSU is the best basketball team in the state of Kansas. At least according to what many KU fans are saying.

It's not unexpected that goSMSgo would come out with a totally negative interpretation of anything, bring up 5-year-old quotes, and whatever other garbage (s)he could find about a team that beat MSU twice.

Considering the age of some of the quotes, evidently goSMSgo has been tracking Turgeon's quotes since Turg arrived at WSU. His list is up to 3 quotes. That's not too bad considering a lot of coaches make more questionable statements in a one-paragraph interview in March.

[brokeback shocker]

Considering the age of some of the quotes, evidently goSMSgo has been tracking Turgeon's quotes since Turg arrived at WSU. His list is up to 3 quotes. That's not too bad considering a lot of coaches make more questionable statements in a one-paragraph interview in March.

I think that is called electronic stalking. That is disturbing.

[outpost]

Since we're in the habit of repeating ourselves in this circular conversation.....GoSMSGo......WILL YOU UPDATE YOUR HANDLE? PLEASE?

[jelly_81]

you are really naive if you think anyone on this board believes that. KU had won 22 of 25 games going into the tourney. They were red-hot, and had just knocked off Texas last Sunday.
I had been saying since Kansas started their run that they were overrated and where near as good as everyone was saying they were. The Big 12 was a terrible conference all year and in fact usually is. The difference they do ususally have 2 very good teams that make the rest of the conference look better. This year they didn't even have that. :valley:
:salukis:

[WuDrWu]

This thread is why most of us don't like gosmsgo.


Dude, get your medication balanced all right? Once in a while you actually make a little sense then you just lose it. I don't know if it's the lithium or the pledge brothers from the Beta House at MU that stop by and tp your trailer but you need to get a grip.

You should listen to yourself a little more closely and stay away longer the next time you make a promise.

Btw, care to wager on whether or not MT is coaching in Wichita next year?

[gosmsgo]

There were about 2 schools in the entire country that could land TH. I laughed out loud when mizzou fans thought they could land him. This kid is a complete stud and I have heard some commentators say he is the best player in college bb....regardless of class.

There isnt a monkeys chance in hell that anyone other than a north carolina or duke would land that kid.


First off, if I was an SMS fan I would want Mark to leave WSU, since Barry and the boys have lost eight in a row to the Shockers. Mark is very happy with his recruiting efforts, but he was honestly answering the question about how tough it is to land a Top 50 Recruit or a McDonald's All American. If SMS can land these players why didn't they sign Tyler Hansborough? He went to High School in Missouri and ended up at Norht Carolina even though you take a back seat to No One. Recruting is a building process, and the only fast way to get there is with a National Valley TV package or yearly success at your school. If Mark does leaves Shocker fans have faith in our AD to find a suitable replacement. Our base is light years ahead of six years ago. GO Shocks to the Elite Eight!

[gosmsgo]

what do you want to wager?




This thread is why most of us don't like gosmsgo.


Dude, get your medication balanced all right? Once in a while you actually make a little sense then you just lose it. I don't know if it's the lithium or the pledge brothers from the Beta House at MU that stop by and tp your trailer but you need to get a grip.

You should listen to yourself a little more closely and stay away longer the next time you make a promise.

Btw, care to wager on whether or not MT is coaching in Wichita next year?

[Aargh]

what do you want to wager?
How about that you go away from this board and NEVER come back?

[WSUbballer]

I know it's not as worth as much as yours...but I'll bet my life.

[gosmsgo]

god forbid someone calls the pride of wichita for some things he said.

You guys worship him like hes a god and the reality is the mvc and wichita state university is nothing more than a part time step stool for his career.

You guys might want to start preparing yourselves for heartbreak. This isnt college baseball where people never leave.

well, maybe they leave then realize they made a mistake and come running back like the senile old man that they are.

[Canevision]

You have no idea what you're talking about.

Please tell us why he doesn't since you are so close to Turg.

Coming from a Bear fan, we've seen this situation before. He sounds like a guy looking to bolt, unlike an Altman etc.

Just an observation is all, try adding something to the conversation about why you feel that way instead of adding nothing.

[TurFin]

Cane...if an individual can't derive what I'm saying within that post, then to debate with said individual is an exercise in futility.

[Aargh]

Cane...if an individual can't derive what I'm saying within that post, then to debate with said individual is an exercise in futility.
Well said, TurFin. You have proven once again that there are adults out here.

[outpost]

Shocker fans in general have no insecurities regarding the subject.

Gosmsgo, you're commercial time is over.

Now, back to the 2006 Valley Lovefest :valley: :valley: :valley:

[getreal4]

Who says MT leaves WSU? Its not like UNI & Coach Mac, WSU can afford to pay him close to B12 scale. My guess is he only leaves for a great financial deal & great opportunity.


btw, I appreciate straight talk from a coach. The coachspeak gets old...

[C0|db|00ded]

Cane...if an individual can't derive what I'm saying within that post, then to debate with said individual is an exercise in futility.

True.

Based on what MT has said in the past and those very close to him, he isn't looking to go anywhere other than KU and that may even be a job he turns down one day as he watches the arrogant, thankless, KU Nation continue to persecute a pretty solid coach (Big 12 COY) in Bill Self.

With MT's drive and frankly lack of ability to deal with pressure, accepting the KU job would be like knocking 5-10 yrs off the mans life. After it's all said and done Mark will be the highest paid coach in the Valley and well... it's good to be king, even if it's only the king of the Valley.

Coaches like Mark Turgeon and Dana Altman hanging around will continue to bring the Valley back to greater and greater heights. The Valley of 2006 is a long way from the Valley of 2001. There are a lot more reasons for a coach to stay now than in the past. When we were a one or two bid league it was tough to recruit. Now that we are a pretty solid 3 bid minimum league (in my opinion) things just got a whole helluva lot easier. If our conference ends up being ranked next year as high as it was this year we could be looking at 5 bids. We have made a clear statement this year. If we are getting two teams to the Sweet Sixteen, how many conferences can you go to that will improve on that statistic? Other than money and "perceived" status, there really isn't too many reasons to leave this conference right now. The money issue isn't a problem for Wichita State because I can guarantee you that we have the ability to pay Mark upwards of a million dollars a year. When I am high-fiving the kind of high-rollers I was at the airport (big donors I met while working on the new Wichita downtown arena campaign) I can assure you the money is loose and plentiful. If Mark Turgeon will make a commitment with us he will be a very rich man.


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[CincyShocker]

god forbid someone calls the pride of wichita for some things he said.

You guys worship him like hes a god and the reality is the mvc and wichita state university is nothing more than a part time step stool for his career.

You guys might want to start preparing yourselves for heartbreak. This isnt college baseball where people never leave.

well, maybe they leave then realize they made a mistake and come running back like the senile old man that they are.


I don't think any shocker fans "worship" MT as you would like this board to believe. Nobody is delusional, we understand the nature of coaching at a mid-major school and making a deep run in the tourney, however, we don't believe WSU is a stepping-stone school either. MT will leave one day, obviously, but make no mistake, he has been and will remain loyal to WSU and the Valley as long as he coaches the Shocks. He is not the type of coach, i.e. Bruce Pearl, who gets a little taste of fame and then runs off to a BCS school. Some people, believe it or not, are content with their situations and are not always chasing the almighty dollar. Furthermore, if MT leaves next year or in ten years, it is not the end of the world; Shocker basketball will continue.

[outpost]

But for now............

http://webs.wichita.edu/gs/basketball/turgeon.jpg

I am Wichita State.

[txsaluki05]

Yeah that quote rubbed me the wrong way too; I think he could've worded it much better. I remember when SIU went to the Sweet 16 a few years ago both Weber and Jermaine Dearman said we are here for the same reason the other 15 teams are here: to win a national championship.

[shockerfan13]

True.

Based on what MT has said in the past and those very close to him, he isn't looking to go anywhere other than KU and that may even be a job he turns down one day as he watches the arrogant, thankless, KU Nation continue to persecute a pretty solid coach (Big 12 COY) in Bill Self.

With MT's drive and frankly lack of ability to deal with pressure, accepting the KU job would be like knocking 5-10 yrs off the mans life. After it's all said and done Mark will be the highest paid coach in the Valley and well... it's good to be king, even if it's only the king of the Valley.

Coaches like Mark Turgeon and Dana Altman hanging around will continue to bring the Valley back to greater and greater heights. The Valley of 2006 is a long way from the Valley of 2001. There are a lot more reasons for a coach to stay now than in the past. When we were a one or two bid league it was tough to recruit. Now that we are a pretty solid 3 bid minimum league (in my opinion) things just got a whole helluva lot easier. If our conference ends up being ranked next year as high as it was this year we could be looking at 5 bids. We have made a clear statement this year. If we are getting two teams to the Sweet Sixteen, how many conferences can you go to that will improve on that statistic? Other than money and "perceived" status, there really isn't too many reasons to leave this conference right now. The money issue isn't a problem for Wichita State because I can guarantee you that we have the ability to pay Mark upwards of a million dollars a year. When I am high-fiving the kind of high-rollers I was at the airport (big donors I met while working on the new Wichita downtown arena campaign) I can assure you the money is loose and plentiful. If Mark Turgeon will make a commitment with us he will be a very rich man.


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Plus he will have a top 25 team at the start of the year next year with 4 starters coming back and some very good recruits and transfers. Things are only going to get better for WSU and he will stay long enough to reap as many benefits as he can from the monster he worked SOOOO hard and long to build. This isn't the peak....he's not done yet.

[MikeKennedyRulz]

Go is just mad because they couldn't pay somebody enough to take Barruh off their hands. The truth is people in Wichita know a good basketball coach when they see one, even if there are rough stretches in a season, and won't jump at the first chance to trash him and call for a replacement. Unlike what we see on a yearly basis coming out of good 'ole Springpatch.

[outpost]

There will be at least two special banners Turg will be back to see lifted in Koch Arena.

MVC (reg season) Champions
Sweet 16 (or sweeter!)

[gosmsgo]

you guys are cracking me up.

I keep waiting for steve alford to call and want a home and home with the bears too.

[C0|db|00ded]

There will be at least two special banners Turg will be back to see lifted in Koch Arena.

MVC (reg season) Champions
Sweet 16 (or sweeter!)

After staring at our Final Four and Elite Eight banners for so long I simply cannot believe we will be hanging another shiny new Sweet Sixteen or better banner up there -It's too good to be true. However, I'm holding out for a Final Four banner!! :Jumpy: (I can dream can't I?)

DIE UCONN!


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[gosmsgo]

I think you guys have a better chance then the bears did in 99.

We ran into duke with elton brand.

we hung with them for 30 minutes or so.....:bears:

still great memories.

[outpost]

Your mind is wandering again, GSMSG......don't you think it's about time to hop on your bike? Game time is 7 pm.

[BEARNUT]

Did anyone hear the MT interview on Romey? If so, was there anything interesting discussed?:bears: :shockers: :braves: :jays:

[MSNSaluki]

you guys have a better chance than siu did in 2002, too.
we ran up against uconn and 4 eventual nba players.

this thread is hilarious ... what happened to all the valley love?

[outpost]

this thread is hilarious ... what happened to all the valley love?

It's still out there.......we just have a few flakes at the party.

I recommend that we open nominations for VT Bouncer. First person bounced is GSMSG. The reason? He has a handle that's obsolete.

I nominate Ace Dad for the title of VT Bouncer.

Any others???

[gosmsgo]

I just think that MT has a great opportunity to make a stand for the valley.

Instead he is doing the opposite in some circumstances. I didnt hear the jim rome interview.

good luck tonight.

[dawg_tired nemesis]

Enough already. :shockers: :braves: :jays: :bears: :valley: You have stated your case. Now go away....:valley:

[RoyalShock]

Go here, download the MP3 and listen for yourself.

http://www.kfhradio.com/promo/sports_daily_mp3/index.php?u=&pathext=Turgeon%20on%20Rome

[Ricky Del Rio]

You have no idea what you're talking about.

Amen.

It is quite amazing how some folks, who have a dispostion to hating, can take a very simple statement and make something sinister out of it.

Even if his word choice is not the choice of most folks, so what? He certainly isn't trashing anyone.

Jesus! How would you like to live with SMSGosMos or whatever his name is?

[1972Shocker]

If you look at the overall body of work by Coach Turgeon in terms of his comments about the level of play and coaching the Valley I think he has always been very supportive of the Valley.

He has consistently said that it is a great coaches league and that the level and quality of play is extremely good.

Actually, I think he has admitted that the league was even better than he realized when he took the WSU job.

He has always spoken very highly of the Creighton and SIU programs and has targeted those two programs as great examples to aspire to.

If the MVC was a lousy conference it would not have taken 6 years for Coach Turgeon to win an MVC Title.

He will never be a Rah!Rah! guy like Barry Hinson, but who is? He is every bit the supporter of the MVC as any other coach in the league with the possible exception of Barry.

This is simply a case of taking one or two phrases out of context and trying to make a Federal case out of it. Your case is being thrown out as frivolous.

Does that mean Mark Turgeon won't take another job someday. Of course not. Even Dana Altman might leave Creighton for the right situation.

However, I think there is a decent chance that Coach Turgeon will be in Wichita for a long-time. If not, I would argue that he has done a heckuva lot of good for the MVC as well as Wichita State, both on and off the court.

This sniping at him seems quite juvenile to me, however, you know you will never win over 100% of the fans. Someone will always dislike you if you are a public figure and are successful. That's just the way it is.

:shockers: :valley:

[C0|db|00ded]

MT did a great job on the Jim Rome interview. He came across as confident, informed, and really represented the Valley well. I love how he says the Valley is so full of great coaches (including teams that didn't make the dance) and he was fully prepared to compete against the coaches he has faced thus far.

I was also quite happy with his statements about "having been there, done that", when asked about his reactions to his stock rising. He made mention that he has played at the highest level and coached at the highest level (NBA and KU national championship year). MT conveyed quite clearly (to me at least) that he doesn't need a certain job to fulfill his ego. Jim's trial balloons got popped on that one.


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[Canevision]

Cane...if an individual can't derive what I'm saying within that post, then to debate with said individual is an exercise in futility.

All I'm saying is that maybe you should add something why you feel that way. Or, perhaps you know something about the situation that he doesn't.

I really have no clue one way or the other, but I could where a person might take his comments and bend them a touch to surmise that he is looking for a stepping stone to bigger and better things.

I hope he doesn't because having the best coaches possible will only make this league stronger and hopefully one day allow us to be talking about the "Big 7" power basketball conferences.

That, and I hope we can one day beat the little sucker. :grin:

[GarH]

I actually find it quite refreshing to see a coach truthfully speak his feelings. For a team that hasn't been to the sweet sixteen since 81, making it to the sweet sixteen probably does feel like what a team like Duke, Arizona, Mich St, Kentucky etc feels like making it to the final four.

[Fraydog]

With the amount of money the Wichita State fan base, they should be able to pay him BAM dollars ($800,000). Remember he got $400,000 just for getting to the NIT, I hope he would get a big bump up for getting his team to the Sweet 16.

[mproviz]

[QUOTE=gosmsgo]

I The entire big 12 blows this year. I mean I think the top 6 of the mvc could beat anyone in the big 12.

QUOTE]

Please let me know what your smoking. That can't just be the kool-aid talking... :doh:

[B.R. Valentine]

There's one more thing that MT failed to mention as a key to his team's success this year...

Jamar Howard finally leaving and not making MT his B$@#* anymore.

[WuDrWu]

you guys have a better chance than siu did in 2002, too.
we ran up against uconn and 4 eventual nba players.

this thread is hilarious ... what happened to all the valley love?

Not that it matters one way or the other (the only team that has our attention is GMU) but this UCONN team will have 6 players drafted this year in all likelyhood.

[gosmsgo]

hmmmm,

someone else thinks the turg should think about what he says.


""Turgeon said after Saturday's win over Tennessee that reaching the Sweet 16 was like the Final Four at his level. He was implying that now he could walk into one of the elite sneaker camps in the summer and stick his chest out a bit, that he might be able to recruit a higher-level player than in the past.

Larranaga said Turgeon might rethink that statement now that he has a shot to get to the Elite Eight by playing another team at his level, a team he already lost to on his home court in February's BracketBusters event.""

[dawg_tired nemesis]

You have stated your case.

NOW GO AWAY.............................

[DUShock]

hmmmm,

someone else thinks the turg should think about what he says.


""Turgeon said after Saturday's win over Tennessee that reaching the Sweet 16 was like the Final Four at his level. He was implying that now he could walk into one of the elite sneaker camps in the summer and stick his chest out a bit, that he might be able to recruit a higher-level player than in the past.

Larranaga said Turgeon might rethink that statement now that he has a shot to get to the Elite Eight by playing another team at his level, a team he already lost to on his home court in February's BracketBusters event.""

GoSMSGo I've always enjoyed your comments, I may not always agree (as in this case) but I usually find them humorous, especially your nilist, fatalist overtones toward your alma mater's basketball program and Athletic Administration.

BUT Ithink in this instance it is another example of "the man" working his propaganda machone to divide and concur.

Go Non-BCS Schools!

Go Valley!!

Go Shocks!!!!

[brokeback shocker]

Larranaga is a punk and has been dissing WSU for the past month.

He is jealous of the attention the MVC and WSU have gotten. He is jealous we sell out our arena and that GM is pick #5 or 6 in the DC area after Georgetown, Maryland, George Washington, Virginia and Virginia Tech.

He is concerned that this is a one-year deal b/c he is over loaded with seniors.

[ColdHardFacts]

"brokeback shocker"

God, I hate that user name. :cursing:

[sandyrains]

GOSMSGO=:no: :no: :no: :no: :no: :no: :no: :no: :fear: :fear: :fear: :fear: :fear: :fear: :fear: :fear: :fear: :fear: :fear: :fear: :fear: :fear: :fear: :fear: :fear: :fear: :fear: How many times have we beat you in the last three years, mmmmmmmmm six times. Dude shut the hell up your crying is making me sick. Ya you dint get in to the big dance and that sucks but lay the hell of our coach. First of all its not like your coach ever stops running his mouth half the time. Did you listen to ROME yesterday he was perfect in how he accounted for wsu and the fans that we have. AND THE MVC anyways lay off talk to me when you get out of the NIT ok then you can bash our coach. Man reading your post is like reading the rants of a ten year old kid who got made fun of at school.

[gosmsgo]

I'm really only one person. I know im really smart so it seems like 100 people but really....just one guy.

The turg is a better coach than barry. No doubt about that. I just wish he would honk the valleys horn a little.

[SubGod22]

Isn't that Elgins job?

[BEARNUT]

Yes it is Elgin's job. It's also Packer's and Digger's job to pump up the Big East and ACC.:banghead:

[ColdHardFacts]

Go ride your bike Go.


O.T. - God I hate Lance Armstrong.

[C0|db|00ded]

We really need to stop posting on a thread entitled "Why I don't like Mark Turgeon". He has family members and friends that visit this site and it's just unbelievably disrespectful considering the currect state of affairs.


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[BEARNUT]

Agreed. Thanks for stopping the Madness.:noexpression:

[1972Shocker]

I'm really only one person. I know im really smart so it seems like 100 people but really....just one guy.

The turg is a better coach than barry. No doubt about that. I just wish he would honk the valleys horn a little.

He does, a lot. At least I have heard him do so many, many times. Much more than I have heard Barry Hinson, in fact. Of course, I follow the Shockers very closely. I do not follow the Bears nearly as closely or religiously.

Do you follow the Shockers as closely as you follow the Bears?

[gosmsgo]

oh waaaa!

Do I HAVE to like mark turgeon?

I didnt like jamar howard either! ohhhh, I hope he doesnt accidently read that!!!

How many times have people said they dont like me on here? Noone cares if people on a internet board like them or not.