Beating Shox moves CU into top 25

[shocker3]

After taking 2 of 3 from WSU this weekend in Omaha, the Bluejays have moved into the top 25 of both Baseball America and Collegiate Baseball.

The Shox have dropped out of both polls but remain knocking on the door in the espn coaches poll. The shox have the highest number of votes of any of the unranked teams in that poll, effectively making them #26.

[DoubleJayAlum]

Hopefully the Jays can keep the wins coming, as they face up against the hated Huskers tonight. A win would be great for the team and the RPI.

Go Jays!:jays:

[Canevision]

After taking 2 of 3 from WSU this weekend in Omaha, the Bluejays have moved into the top 25 of both Baseball America and Collegiate Baseball.

The Shox have dropped out of both polls but remain knocking on the door in the espn coaches poll. The shox have the highest number of votes of any of the unranked teams in that poll, effectively making them #26.

How the Shockers are still rated this highly after their terrible start to conference is beyond me.

[JJClamdip]

How the Shockers are still rated this highly after their terrible start to conference is beyond me.

It is called traditon and past excellence.

That being said, I don't see them ranked anymore this season. I am sure that you will be happy to see in the polls this week no WSU.

[iSASO]

I would love to see a poll on the number of non-WSU fans celebrating WSU's exit from the polls.

[Canevision]

It is called traditon and past excellence.

That being said, I don't see them ranked anymore this season. I am sure that you will be happy to see in the polls this week no WSU.

What exactly do past years have to do with anything for one. Second, it's starting to have been a while since there has been any "excellence" from the Shockers baseball program. They've been good for sure, but it seems the Shock are getting by name alone lately.

It's time they make some noise in the tourney again, or we're going to be talking about some ancient history.

I honestly don't mean that as smack, you have to admit it's been a while since the Shock have done much damage in the tourney.

[shocker3]

What exactly do past years have to do with anything for one. Second, it's starting to have been a while since there has been any "excellence" from the Shockers baseball program. They've been good for sure, but it seems the Shock are getting by name alone lately.

It's time they make some noise in the tourney again, or we're going to be talking about some ancient history...




The Shox have been to the championship game of a regional for three years in a row. It may not be Omaha, but it aint too shabby either,

[Canevision]

The Shox have been to the championship game of a regional for three years in a row. It may not be Omaha, but it aint too shabby either,

Ok, I'll give you that. That's pretty decent, but to stand on the rafters and yell "excellence" I'd expect to actually get past the first round as well.

I'm not saying WSU doesn't have the past history of any Valley baseball team, because they do, the fact remains for the past 5-10 years, the Shock have fared comparably with the Bears. :bears:

[Divergence]

I'm not saying WSU doesn't have the past history of any Valley baseball team, because they do, the fact remains for the past 5-10 years, the Shock have fared comparably with the Bears.
I'm not sure what your comparing. MoST Baseball program has had success, but you could argue that their program is declining from where they were in the late 90's where they made the NCAA in 3 of 5 years. In the last 5 they have only made it 2 out of 5 (albeit with 1 CWS appearance). Unfortunately, they were not able to leverage their CWS appearance.

WSU has also had a decline in fortunes, but except for 2001, have made the NCAA tournament every year and has been a consistent threat to either get to the CWS or Super Regional in 6 out of those 10 years. There is no team in the MVC that can match WSU over this ten year period.

Now who know what the next 10 years will hold. Right now its looking pretty bleak for WSU and maybe MoST will dominate - who knows.

Last 5 Years

MoST 176-126 58%
MVC Finish
2 - 1st
2 - 3rd
1 - 7th

2 NCAA Appearances (1 CWS) 7-5

WSU 238-108 69%
MVC Finish
2 - 1st
3 - 2nd

4 NCAA Appearances 7-9

Last 10 Years

MoST 337-269 56%
MVC Finish
2 - 1st
2 - 2nd
4 - 3rd
1 - 5th
1 - 7th

5 NCAA Appearanced (1 CWS) 13-11

WSU 502-182 74%
MVC Finish
7 - 1st
3 - 2nd

9 NCAA Appearances (1 CWS) 16-19

[JJClamdip]

Divergence you are going to overload the little pea brain of Canevision.

The facts speak for themselves.

[Canevision]

I am finishing up my MBA. I doubt you could even spell that Clamdip. Welcome to my ignore list.

Divergence, I said compare favorably. It seems to me that the Bears do compare favorably. I gave credit to the Shock and am not at all trying to disparage them, they have a great program. What I'm saying is that all the people who scream excellence with the Shock baseball program, need to define what excellence is to them.

I'll take the better NCAA record, CWS appearance and a great start this year over some meaningless regular season wins. You say no other team can match what WSU has done, but I believe on a national scale MSU has accomplished just as much, if not more. A CWS appearance is akin to a Final Four appearance in basketball, the Shock have struggled to get past the first round. The Bears also are now a young team that seem to have leveraged the stadium and CWS quite nicely into a bright future.

The rivalry between the two teams is fun, and I hope we see more of it this weekend.

[MikeKennedyRulz]

A CWS appearance is akin to a Final Four appearance in basketball, the Shock have struggled to get past the first round.

So I guess they don't teach much math at MSU in their MBA programs. Lets see, 8 teams make the CWS. How is 8 equal to 4?

And if you are talking postseason success over the last 5 years, that is the only way MSU is comparable to WSU. If you are talking overall, there is no way MSU can compare to 28 years of 40+ win seasons, 7 CWS appearances, 3 CWS finals appearances, and 1 National Championship.

[fontleroyjr]

I think a better measure to see where WSU is headed would to be look at their finishes from 5-10 years ago and 5-15 years ago compared to the last 10.

While WSU is still in the top 3 in the valley as a program, it is nothing compared to what it was when it won every conference championship

MSU and others have really closed the gap, but no one has or will step up and dominate like the shox did in their glory years.

[Divergence]

I believe on a national scale MSU has accomplished just as much, if not more.
I don't know what your smoking, but you show me where MoST has accomplished anything comparable to WSU on a National Level:

17 MVC Championships
22 NCAA Appearances
7 CWS Appearances
2 CWS Runner-Ups
1 National Championship

The rivalry between the two teams is fun, and I hope we see more of it this weekend.
I would not characterize it as a rivalry. WSU has only won about 10 in a row and except for a couple instances have dominated the series (41-24). Now maybe MoST fans consider it a rivalry because they spent most of their time looking up at WSU.

I do expect that win streak to end this weekend and expect MoST to sweep WSU. It would seem this WSU team has pretty much cashed it in for the year.

[fontleroyjr]

What?

So if Duke were to beat North Carolina 10 times in a row in hoops, it is no longer a rivalry. KU beats MU 10 times in a row, then the fans just stop caring about those games?

I dont think so. It's even a worse argument in college baseball where 10 straight could come in the course of 2 years!! We've been down 2 years and now its not a rivalry?

[Canevision]

You're going back to your history again. No one is debating who's long-term history is better: WSU's.

Give me MO St's last five years and I'm happy. If Shock fan is happy with their "excellence" as the quote that started all this in the last five years, then fine by me.

I'm happy with the program at MO St. right now and I think they match up very well with the Shocks program for the future. I'll go back to "smoking" while delusional Shock fan won't admit their team is not on the level it once was. but still expect the same "excellence."

Shock fan and MO St. fan can never co-exist unfortunately.

[Canevision]

As for the rivalry, I'm sure it's not a rivalry to Shock fan at all. The Shox started hating the Bears in baseball when they ended their long run at the top several years back.

I didn't stop thinking it was a rivalry when the Bears were getting the better end of it a few years back, and I doubt the majority of Shock fans do either.

[shocker3]

You're going back to your history again. No one is debating who's long-term history is better: WSU's.

Give me MO St's last five years and I'm happy. If Shock fan is happy with their "excellence" as the quote that started all this in the last five years, then fine by me.




Okay you don't like history.

Let's look at last year. The Shox make it to the Regional finals again and SMS didn't even make it to the Valley tourney, let alone the ncaa tournament.

[JJClamdip]

Let's look at last year. The Shox make it to the Regional finals again and SMS didn't even make it to the Valley tourney, let alone the ncaa tournament.

Shocker 3, please don't confuse our residnet MBA with facts again it puts him in overload mode.

Remember that last year SWOMOSTU had the best team to never make the Valley post season.

So take that!

Hey this ignore feature works great, no more whining drivel from Cane about the superiority of SWOMOSTU ever again.

[MikeKennedyRulz]

As for the rivalry, I'm sure it's not a rivalry to Shock fan at all. The Shox started hating the Bears in baseball when they ended their long run at the top several years back.

I didn't stop thinking it was a rivalry when the Bears were getting the better end of it a few years back, and I doubt the majority of Shock fans do either.

And then last year SWOMOSTU was right back where they belong in the standings.


CHEESEBURGERS FOR ALL!!!!!

[Canevision]

Okay you don't like history.

Let's look at last year. The Shox make it to the Regional finals again and SMS didn't even make it to the Valley tourney, let alone the ncaa tournament.

I would counter with the Bears having a bad year and the Shock having a bad year (this year). What's the difference?

I'm going to stick with my team in case you haven't noticed and I suspect Shocker fan will do the same. That's one thing you can say about them, they're a loyal bunch.

[MikeKennedyRulz]

I would counter with the Bears having a bad year and the Shock having a bad year (this year). What's the difference?

I'm going to stick with my team in case you haven't noticed and I suspect Shocker fan will do the same. That's one thing you can say about them, they're a loyal bunch.

The difference is you cannot say that the Shox aren't going to make the Valley tourney. There have been three MVC series played and there are 5 more series to play (15 more MVC games). Anything can happen.

[Canevision]

The difference is you cannot say that the Shox aren't going to make the Valley tourney. There have been three MVC series played and there are 5 more series to play (15 more MVC games). Anything can happen.

Fair point for sure.

[MikeKennedyRulz]

Actually, I think MSU has 6 more series to play as they have already had their off-valley weekend. I just hope the Shox can break out of this huge offensive slump they are in. The radio guys said last night that it is the biggest slump WSU has been in since Gene came here in 1978.

[Canevision]

Actually, I think MSU has 6 more series to play as they have already had their off-valley weekend. I just hope the Shox can break out of this huge offensive slump they are in. The radio guys said last night that it is the biggest slump WSU has been in since Gene came here in 1978.

Yes, they play 6 more series this season. Early bye week got us some games vs Big Ten Minnesota, but we now play straight through.

[shocker3]

I would counter with the Bears having a bad year and the Shock having a bad year (this year). What's the difference?

I'm going to stick with my team in case you haven't noticed and I suspect Shocker fan will do the same. That's one thing you can say about them, they're a loyal bunch.


Let's wait until this season is over before we judge who is having a bad year.

Just 3 weeks ago, the Shox were 20-3, including a 3 game sweep at Long Beach St and a 12-2 win at OU.

Who knows, 3 weeks from now the Shox may be in the middle of another big winning streak.

:valley: :shockers:

[fontleroyjr]

What is Long Beach State's record this year?

[JJClamdip]

Long Beach is 11-14 so far this season.

So what is your point?

[fontleroyjr]

they stink

[shocker3]

Long Beach does NOT stink. They have played a very tough schedule.

Even with their record their rpi is 49.

Long Beach has 3 wins over USC, a win at Texas, a win at Rice and a win over Baylor.

They will most likely be an ncaa team this year (unlike probably 8 teams from the Valley).

BTW- OU is 25-10 with an rpi of 20.
:valley: :shockers:

[Canevision]

Long Beach does NOT stink. They have played a very tough schedule.

Even with their record their rpi is 49.

Long Beach has 3 wins over USC, a win at Texas, a win at Rice and a win over Baylor.

They will most likely be an ncaa team this year (unlike probably 8 teams from the Valley).

BTW- OU is 25-10 with an rpi of 20.
:valley: :shockers:

You think a team that is currently 11-14 is going to the NCAA's w/o the auto? I doubt that seriously.

[shocker3]

Yes, I do. They are currently in second place in the Big West conference, just one game behind #1 ranked Fullerton St.

The Big West conference always sends multiple teams to the ncaa tourney in baseball. (the Big West is currently ranked 6th in conference rpi, the same rank as the Valley had this year in basketball when we sent 4 teams to the big dance).

I mentioned some of LBS wins, most of their losses are very impressive too.
For example, they have 3 losses against #1 Fullerton, 2 against Texas, and 2 against Baylor.

With their strong schedule they will only need to finish a little above .500 to get an at large bid.

Which I think they will do, they have a top 10 pitching staff and one of the top pitchers in the country.

Remember the season is only about half over and things could look a lot different by the end of the season then they do now. :valley: :shockers:

[shocker3]

Apparently Boyd Nation agrees with me.

In his latest column dated April 11, he lists Long Beach as an at large team in his latest ncaa projections.

The only Valley team listed is the Bears.



http://www.boydsworld.com/breadcrumbs/current.html

:shockers: :valley:

[iSASO]

Font, that stink you smell is the MVC.

[shocker3]

CU lost another tough one to UNL this week.

This time losing 4-2 in Lincoln.

CU is playing the top 5 Huskers close, but not quite getting that win.

Good Luck in Omaha for the last meeting at the Blatt!:valley: :jays: